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Of you, paul wolfowitz, dick chain we the line, quote, the only thing i want to hear from iraq war architects is an apology. what's your response? >> well, harry reid's not going to get an insincere apology from me. i'm not a politician. i'm not apologizing for something that i think was not wrong. the war to remove saddam was the right thing and necessary thing to do. we can debate, carl can go on how terrible it was, i can debate what harry reid said before the surge it wouldn't work. we can go over the failure to leave a force there the failure to get involved in syria which i think is the ...

Openly critical of him from now until the end of his presidency. a very good story for obama right now. we'll see how long the story line lasts, but at a moment when there's so many foreign policy flash points and troubles for him overseas, ukraine, russia, but especially in syria and iraq, you know, a rare bit of good foreign policy news in a moment where he really needs one. >> peter makes a point. remember, this is the president, you know, who launched the raid. they got bin laden. now you see republicans saying since then has it gotten a little bit soft on terror. dick chain and lynne chen...

The war for the reasons you gave, he chose not to have those weapons, is that correct? >> that's correct. >> those are stunning statements. >> it was a terrible mistake. the cia had said we would find stockpiles that we didn't find. it was a disaster. >> and you believed it was true at the time in. >> yes, so did they. they shouldn't have. there were a lot of people in the community that knew this information wasn't as solid as i was being presented to me. >> it's a failure to the very highest levels of decision-making in america. george w. bush and dick chain any would have gone to war with i...

To me, it doesn't make sense that we only find out about this after it blows up. where is the oversight? it seems like this borders on criminal. i don't think you can continue to excuse the gross expenses and spending out of control. well, that happens, at least we tried. >> bob: you didn't want to talk about or ever want to talk about the billions and billions and billions of dollars that dick cheney's old company got in no good contract in iraq which were wasted, more one wasted by dick chain's old company than all of these d.o.e. projects combined be. fair. talk about the reality of it. the...

Don't know. to me, it doesn't make sense that we only find out about this after it blows up. where is the oversight? it seems like this borders on criminal. i don't think you can continue to excuse the gross expenses and spending out of control. well, that happens, at least we tried. >> bob: you didn't want to talk about or ever want to talk about the billions and billions and billions of dollars that dick cheney's old company got in no good contract in iraq which were wasted, more one wasted by dick chain's old company than all of these d.o.e. projects combined be. fair. talk about the realit...