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Horace got involved, they did polling -- dick morris got involved, they did polling, they did focus grouping. he triangulated. he mentioned the era of big government is over end of welfare as we know it. together with the they led us on a path to a balanced budget. fiscal sanity, not record debt. >> greta: when health care failed, now health care has gone the democratic way at least the way president obama wants it. he's not going to be the triangulating or any of that >> sean: i don't that i is in him. >> greta: tell me if we are having this discussion a year from now, past the midterm electi...

Horace got involved, they did polling -- dick morris got involved, they did polling, they did focus grouping. he triangulated. he mentioned the era of big government is over end of welfare as we know it. together with the they led us on a path to a balanced budget. fiscal sanity, not record debt. >> greta: when health care failed, now health care has gone the democratic way at least the way president obama wants it. he's not going to be the triangulating or any of that >> sean: i don't that i is in him. >> greta: tell me if we are having this discussion a year from now, past the midterm electi...