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Capita than we are. >> and they have two tanks and one airplane. >> let me ask you about this. in the two largest provinces in canada, quebec and ontario, they now spend 50% of their government funding on health care. half of it on health care. the problem is, and i think it's a universal problem across the planet, nobody has figured out a model which drives down cost. and the result is, if you assume everybody gets everything they want, you end up in a system which is ultimately going to bank rurupt the country. >> i don't think that's a fair statement. i think there are many countries around...

Canada. now my question tor you would be if we went to national health care, where would the americans go who needed to get things they couldn't? the canadians come here because this is still a relatively open system. >> let me respond in this way. i was the first, actually, when you were speaker, i took vermonters over the canadian border because women with breast cancer were paying more for drugs than they were in canada. some of those are paid by their government. third point is that certainly the canadian system is not perfect. there is no health care system in the world that's perfect. bu...

You're a champion for jobs? why are you flushing 44,000 jobs down the toilet in south carolina? >> listen to the unions. all i can tell you is that this thing is stinking up the place in terms of what people thought they were getting. at the end of the day, by 2042, these two government programs we're talking about are going to take more money to run than we collect in taxes today. >> are you saying that the system we have right now -- >> i'm going to challenge bernie. if you makeover $250,000 a year in retirement. you get $108 a month subsidy from the federal government, i'm willing to tell p...

Number. you may start at 250. some of your colleagues will bring it down to 150. then the next year it's welfare. i am more in favor. universal system which says if you are very, very wealthy, guess what, you are going to be paying more in taxes -- >> bernie is a man of his convictions. when you look at the world, most people are coming our way. we're not going their -- most people with socialized medicine are trying to find ways to lessen the cost because it's taken their economy down. competition is a good thing. >> let me just -- let me just respond. that's not quite accurate. somebody corr...