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Ali. >> let's start with this donald j. trump meeting, the fact that we're up to five or six trump associates who have now been dishonest about the fact that there were contacts between trump associates and the russians. what's your first take on this? >> this culture of corruption is everywhere. you've got flynn, you've got manafort, you've got donald trump jr., you've got kushner. that's why we needed a special counsel. what we need to have happen in congress, ali, number one, the sanctions bill needs to be passed by the house. because that is very important to hold putin accountable. number...

Administration's had had to happen. >> well, i'm not sure that the trump administration is trying to use military force to topple assad. i'm not sure what their actual strategy is. i was supportive of the strikes after the last chemical attack. i set it on air, i've said it many times since. when i also said was one night of strikes is not a strategy. in the long term i haven't seen the trump administration say publicly or to congress or to the american people, here is the strategy, here is the end goal, and here's how we are going to get there. this warning last night to me was incredibly int...

Future. but this story in the washington post is just jaw dropping. and any democrat, particularly those who worked in brooklyn on the hillary clinton campaign, their teeth are probably aching with frustration and pain from the fact that the guy who they loved who was in the white house didn't do anything, didn't act. there are lots of reasons and very understandable reasons that were laid out in the story, but at the end of the day, you know, it's not just the current president, it's the former president who sat on his hands. >> former senior obama administration official in the saturday cons...

Henry jackson society which is a british think tank. now that security services, authorities have raised that threat level to critical what does that mean in practical terms? >> it means they are going to be on the most extreme state of alert short of the kinds of state of emergency that you see in france and that the metropolitan police in london in particular they are fwlig special officers who will be particularly looking out for the signs of people who may be about to undertake an attack. it's quite likely that this intelligence that's coming through about the idea that maybe this attacker...

People's behavior in the counter intelligence investigation, not that i know of. >> i think that we're not clear about. i think the thing that we're not clear about at this point is whether a grand jury has actually been convened and there may in fact be an investigation being conducted by a grand jury of contacts with the russians and it may in fact involve general flynn and when you look at a possible obstruction charge here, comey's going to come in and say, you know, the reason i didn't act and do something about this was because it was an a attempt to make something of it at the time. how...