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Having less relevance in the white house today. >> well, i think it's rather rich of senator graham to complain about having to negotiate with someone who has different views. that's what negotiation is all about, and as far as immigration goes, lindsey graham's views are rather outside the mainstream, certainly within the republican party, so he can go about casting aspersions, calling names, doesn't bring us any closer to where i think he and steven miller want us to get to, which is some kind of arrangement that protects the rule of law, border security, and that offers something to those w...

Progressives, and pro-immigration groups on the other side that is calling it a plan for white supremacists. that makes it even harder for these two sides to come together. the clock is ticking, and we're going to be at another government shutdown crisis if the sides can't come together within just less than a couple weeks. >> the president's team, in briefing us yesterday, saying they want to vote on this the week of february 6th. we are not far away from them wanting this thing resolved. let me ask you, amber, specifically about democrats here. there's a lot the democrats can dislike, the bo...

It's just about scoring points and winning. that's it. >> does he want the fight or the solution? would he rather have the daca left in limbo, keep his hard right happy because he's done nothing on immigration than make a deal? does he want a deal? >> i think he wants a deal. i think he wants the deal on other things. he wantses the wall, the chain migration. >> do you think he'll get his right wing to go along with any deal to allow any person who came in this country illegally to stay here? >> he's actually looking at 1.2 d.r.e.a.m.ers, not just 700,000 people eligible for daca but didn't ap...

Prohibit him from being attorney general on this didn't apply. mcgahn failed to convince sessions of that. he was quite clear in his testimony that he believes -- correct in his belief -- he has no choice but recuse himself because of the role he played in the campaign. mcgahn tries, sessions adheres to the law. mcgahn fails, president erupts. what that is relevant mostly to russia investigation is whether it's another brick in the wall as we keep calling it of the president's obstructionist behavior. >> do you think it is obstruction when you hear this? >> no. i think the president has the ri...

Question here of how many of those old rules of politics didn't apply at all? how many of them still apply. but not in the case of trump. i think there's a lot of questions here about the rules of politics and it's sort of an interesting moment from an analyst perspective because i think we can pause and say i don't know but we're going to find out. >> let's take up more pause. terrific discussion with two great guests. when we come back, the white house responds to hillary clinton's book out today which you might have heard a thing or two about. when "the 11th hour" continues. around here, ...