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And john mccain. now, the issue of brennan's involvement in enhanced interrogation didn't concern the democrats on the senate intel committee back then. of the 50 democrats who voted to confirm brennan in 2013, 36 are still in office. during brennan's confirmation hearing in 2013, weaponnize drones were the big issue. this is how the question of water boarding was addressed. >> what steps did you take to stop cia from moving to these techniques? >> i did not take steps. i was not in the chain of command of that program. i expressed my objections and views about certain of those where i profess...

Know, something that was being done in a different part of the agency under the authority of others. and it was something that was directed by the administration at the time. >> laura: and that was that. move on. while, it wasn't until december of 2014 when the senate intel committee released a report severely criticizing enhanced interrogation, describing the techniques as torture, which yielded little intelligence. that anyone began to really care that much about it. during a press conference at ca director, sp 24 suddenly reversed course, defended the program, and refused to label technique...

Out but tom. >> we had confirmation last week from the house intelligence committee that there was a counterintelligence operation against flynn while he was on the campaign are working for the transition. >> laura: how does that play out? out? wiretaps or what? >> what did the program entail? this justice berman takes the approach of the modified limited hangout in terms of information. four months the mueller operation sat on the fact that they had the strzok-page messages. then we found out about the clinton dnc dossier. there is going to a third or fifth shoe that drops. i don't believe th...

Want that, you've got to embrace somebody who seems to have embraced torture, which democrats aren't -- >> laura: she didn't design the program. >> well, laura. i have to throw the challenge flag. >> laura: jeff is coming in on us with the challenge flag. >> i've got to throw that challenge flag, rosa. torture is a propaganda word. that's a propaganda and it's chosen to evoke an emotional response. it's chosen to conjure up images of putting people on the rack or cutting off fingers or limbs. let's be accurate. let's not be propaganda. if you train your people at georgetown to use propaganda t...

>> the detainees who were subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques provided information that was useful and was used in the ultimate operation to go against bin laden. >> laura: well, not only did he go on the record defending the bush administration's aggressive interrogation tactics, he also reportedly objected to the obama administration's decision to release the bush interrogation memos and other related documents. apparently he did think the program have value, whether or not it actually led to the elimination of bin laden, who knows. but remember brennan was that ca's deputy execut...