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Yourself as a rat. >> well, what i did -- i tried to internally end the cover-up as the tapes would later show. and when i failed at that, i advised the president that i was going to hire a lawyer and i was going to go see the prosecutors and stop the cover-up. so they were very aware of the fact i was going to do that. in fact, their tapes were saying the smartest thing dean can do is go down and appear to cooperate with the prosecutors. he didn't realize i was going to tell the truth. >> that's the other thing is that i have seen a lot of historians on social media noting that it's unusual t...

And the check on that system is itself reinscribes the same racial injustices. >> right. and clarence aaron is a guy who had, as we said, so many people in his corner, and still, he could not get a commutation. really, until the pardon's office was exposed, until this wrongdoing was exposed, until an ig report was written. until congressional -- members of congress asked the white house to get involved. >> people at home, i mean, clarence aaron is a very, is a unique case in many ways, but there are thousands of people who are people doing a lot of time for carrying a boyfriend's luggage with ...

Criminals snitching on them when they didn't snitch, because they were too naive not to roll over first. we are producing a system that produces so much bulk injustice, that the pardoning system isn't going to be the thing that rectifies it. but tonight really a small amount of justice. it's an amazing story. i feel so happy for clarence aaron and his family. thank you for all your incredible work on this, dafna. thank you. coming up -- >> women are like labrador retrievers. they all have quirks. the first prerequisite for marrying a woman, can she cook? if your woman cooks better than your ma...

Have the backbone and the personality to stand up to the onslaught from the other ten guys on the jury during deliberations who will be beating her over the head, like any bunch much guys get together. like you've got to get rid titto break up with her. when you saw jodi arias smiling the other day when the one woman got struck from the jury they want to get one guy to like her enough to not want to execute her and i think it will explode in her face. jon: there are 11 men in skwre jury pool. 4 women -- i'm sorry i think it would be seven women i think. >> the victim are the alternates. they m...