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Concern by trump or the folks around him when it comes to his political standing at this moment? >> i think there's really two sets of people that are looking at this. if you're a republican who is a supporter of president trump, you are almost getting more ingrained in your support for him. when i was out in west virginia, one of his recent rallies, people said they felt he was under siege and that the justice department and all these investigations were really just aimed at trying to get rid of a president that a lot of people didn't want to be there. of course if you're a democrat looking a...

Spent $7.5 million. does money matter in this? >> it does when you look at the seven senators who are in trump districts who are up for re-election it does. and if they're putting a lot of pressure on through tv ads, that certainly can have a potential effect. >> what they're looking at is these are people who we know are on our side, but they don't -- we know that they generally don't vote in a midterm election. if we can get them out in those seven states, we could really do something. >> yes, and that's definitely part of the strategy. and that makes a lot of sense to do that. plus you also...

Thank you, rick. >> you had the president ranting against the koch brothers on twitter this week. but to your point earlier, do you think the koches' moves lead to other changes or is it about setting the change for future congress and administration? >> the koches -- let's hear your question. >> well, look, the reality is the kochs are complaining and saying they don't like this president. >> look, i don't think they said they don't like this president. they don't like protectionism and tariffs and trade policies. >> well, they're going against his policies. >> and they like others, as bill p...

Humanity of children and their parents made in the image of god. as a country and as a people. >> you've been outspoken when it comes to the president, but many of your prominent evangelicals, they are speaking out this time against this specific policy. what do you think that is? >> well i think the president is the leader of this country. we are required by the bible to pray for him and hope that he succeeds in every way. i think many evangelicals are doing that right now. regardless of whether they supported the president or didn't support the president. this is a clear moral issue that we ...

But it's different than the rhetoric we are hearing elsewhere that it's useless, that there was nothing gained by this meeting. that all of this back and forth is so destructive in the wake of the meeting as it went on. can't people just sit back and see what develops? >> david: i agree. sena schumer should haven't said what he said. he sounds like he didn't support president trump. >> harris: do you think he meant something else? >> david: he struck the wrong tone in that speech on the floor of the senate. >> harris: kellyanne conway, adviser to the president, counselor to the president rihis...