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Impossible to get out. remember everybody all of a sudden thought it was an amnesty bill. one of the things on that point was president bush got absolutely no help from the left either. >> bill: let's keep in it this. so president bush is watching this whole thing dissolve. okay, because commentators that oppose the mccain-kennedy bill -- i tried not to make it personal. i said many times if i were a poor man in mexico i would sneak across the border and try to make money to feed my family. but i didn't like the policy aspect of it because it didn't secure the border so i opposed the bill. but...

>> you didn't believe what you were saying back then. >> play the tape, it says he believes and i was speaking as a spokesperson for senator mccain and i didn't support and don't support bailing out places like wall street, general motors, and the like. -- >> i don't want to belabor it, you were saying then the idea, john mccain had was the government would basically take all of the bad debt on all of these mortgages and would renegotiate and, in 2008 when you defended that you didn't believe it. >> i don't believe the government should bail out wall street or the mortgage industry or, for tha...

Including the people who wrote it. it overturns a decision of 7 million voters in california. i think around the country there's no doubt some people will support this decision, but i think it's a disaster for the democrats because it will divide their party. >> karen, i see you shaking your head and laughing. i need to pass along to everybody, the white house released a brief statement that didn't support or reject the judge's ruling. let's go ahead and show it to everybody. the president has spoken out in opposition to proposition 8. karen, your thoughts? >> well, pat said exactly what i wou...

Isn't there -- you have said, look, we're just -- like we're in a spending fatigue at this point. it is very -- even though there are well-known economists saying you've got to spend more money because we're not out of it, congress isn't in a mood to do that, are they? >> congress is very concerned, democrats are very concerned about the deficit. that's why we've taken very substantial steps to overcome the deep deficits given to us by the bush administration. we've adopted pay-go, which simply says we're going to pay for what we buy. secondly the president, when the republicans in the congres...

We've adopted pay-go, which simply says, look, we're going to pay for what we buy. secondly the president, when the republicans in the congress wouldn't support a deficit reduction commission that they originally proposed and they didn't support, the president appointed one himself. mr. bowles was mentioned previously by mitch mcconnell and senator simpson are working together to try to, in the long term, bring this deficit down. thirdly, the president submitted a budget which freezes spending at last year's level. we've gone $7 billion better than that in the budget enforcement resolution we'...