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Intent. but how much does that help if he personally was secretive about packing the documents. and it's clear, look, this is his doing. >> reporter: again, if he was doing it the whole thing -- one thing about donald trump is he has been secretive his whole life. this was a guy who was a businessman, didn't email, didn't text. so if he is just secret as a matter of course, that actually helps him legally. but if there's evidence that he says i didn't want mueller to see these documents, or i didn't want the january 6th committee to see these documents, that is a different scenario and more pr...

Before, the seriousness has sunk in to the president and those around him he needs outside counsel and begin to make credible remarks. this defense so far try to normalize misbehavior, exactly the wrong strategy. >> peter, the fact ambassador sondland didn't text back, right? talked about the texts. didn't text back five hours and found out part of that gap in time picks up the phone and calls the president. what do you think of that? >> i moean, his text means it's something certainly crafted by the cia. the ambassador is giving the most plausible reading what happened. 's remember the contex...