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He's long time republican who wrote a piece for the washington post. he says i monitor trump's die hard base. they are still plotting out in the open. ron, good to see you. that definitely is a stark warning. please elaborate on what you mean by that. what are these extreme groups plotting next? >> what we saw really was in march and april of this year. a lot of the organizers, including mr. alexander and planners of january 6th sort of fanned out into around the country, created their own organization, created their own websites, started touring around the country, speaking. really using elec...

Information. the important thing for the 1/6 committee but also for the american culture, alex, we have to frame this, if donald trump is going to run again, we have to frame this in a way that voters can easily consume. donald trump tried to cancel the election and keep himself in power. that's what we know was in the evidence that meadows and others turned out. donald trump tried to cancel the election and keep himself in power. >> when you put it that way, it's pretty darn simple. if that were to be repeated all the time, that simply, people would get it more clearly. but don, the new op-ed...

I think it's going to be a harder and harder case to make, at least to the majority of the population that isn't in trump's die-hard base that may be unpersuadable at this point. >> what do you make of the fact that even jay sekulow, the president's personal attorney in all of this who has somewhat remained above the fray of the personal inner works of the president. he is not rudy giuliani. he always seemed to have been a loyal foot soldier, legal foot soldier if you want for the president. but now he is pictured with these guy, and he is saying he is not worried about any exposure. >> i mean...

Chaotic presidency or finally wear out his welcome among republicans who finally recognize they can save him or themselves but not both. the conventional wisdom has been that republicans knowing his base, fearing primary challenges, will never truly split with the president. do you think that that's true? >> i don't see that changing unless something dramatic happens, such as severe downturn with the economy, which potentially could happen. and a major discovery or major charges coming out of the mueller investigation. that is really the elephant in the room as to what happens with that. that ...

Has done. so i get your so what question, but as i said in the beginning of my last answer, for a lot of the president's supporters, that die hard 36%, all of those things were baked in. and so for them, this is nothing new. >> really quickly here. this assistant da being promoted to such is an important position. what do we make of that? >> there's just a lot of turmoil in the department. it's a sign of the fact that the% nel could change quickly. >> do you take that promotion as a signal of the likelihood of a future new hire from outside the team? >> possibly. the conflict issue is to be ex...