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Culture. and so that kind of stuff leads to people not having respect for authority, leads to the images that white america sees. they go, well, how come it's okay for your own to celebrate this. but then you wonder why certain people have opinions. >> you bring up white america. >> yeah. >> but then you say to me, i'm an american first. >> right. >> should we be talking about it in those terms? >> no, but these are the terms that we have been forced to talk to them in now. it's been forced to look through a racial prism now. i didn't choose the way this is being framed. this is what we have b...

>> right. >> and it went from there. but if you read the report, i think they were the ones who said, well, you know, we can do this for you. >> also, the money that was paid ---el well, i should note here, a statement you include in your report coming from these two men, won of whom you heard from, said we are proud of the work we have done for our country, standing by it. the money to them, completely tax-free. and they have this indemnification clause. >> as i understand it, and in the report it says that in addition to the $81 million, their firm received, on top of that, they individually...

This is done. and this is over. and there is nothing that can be done, that tax money has been spent. this program has been opened and closed. but what do you think can be learned about the transparency of cia operating processes and the chain of command internally? obviously, the public shouldn't know who they are hiring at this time they are doing it, but what needs to change? >> well, i think what needs to change is -- and i'm hoping the cia is doing this while they're kind of running defense. i hope they're also looking at this and saying how did this happen? how did we end up here? what i...

Have a job to do, and you don't really want to take sides while on the job. if you're off the job, he's free to do whatever he likes. but i think that probably while he's working as a public servant, that was not appropriate. >> we've got to wrap-up. but i find it interesting, you said have you ever looked at my twitter feed and all of the heat you get for talking about this as a black woman. >> the most vile, disgusting insults at me, because i'm choosing to look at this -- remove the racial emotion and looking at it from a more pragmatic perspective, it's -- it's disheartening. but it's -- i...

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