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Hyde. >> greta: more effective than bringing them to the oval office and saying i need your vote he needs to go out and do leg work can >> he has to prove there's political sense to making this vote if you look at the numbers the politics are against it. he's trying to change that political die tick -- dynamic. >> greta: drawing people to a rally in pennsylvania is effective way to did that? >> how else can you do it? >> greta: i don't know, that's why i was asking. >> it is hard. he's tried going on television. he's tried making the case, he's given 35 speeches. he's done national addresses a...

Hyde. >> greta: more effective than bringing them to the oval office and saying i need your vote he needs to go out and do leg work can >> he has to prove there's political sense to making this vote if you look at the numbers the politics are against it. he's trying to change that political die tick -- dynamic. >> greta: drawing people to a rally in pennsylvania is effective way to did that? >> how else can you do it? >> greta: i don't know, that's why i was asking. >> it is hard. he's tried going on television. he's tried making the case, he's given 35 speeches. he's done national addresses a...