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Historic position on these issues, can go out into communities across this country and neighborhoods that don't look like typical republicans and have a conversation, a difficult one, about how we transform the economy from the bottom up, including the poor. where we show direct concern for them because they are the future of this country. you just can't say, well, there's a safety net. there's got to be more than a safety net for people in poverty. it's got to be opportunity. i think that's a very powerful message that we just have not taken to the streets yet. >> dana, i think that that last...

Shannon: just so we're clear you see the empty chair, simon rozenburg has left this conversation. we know that this is a topic that gets very heated very ugly in washington and around the country as we try to find solutions. it's a difficult one, there are no easy solutions. both sides know we have to make sacrifices and do thins. ben, thank you, simon thank you, we hope you'll both come back. >> thanks for having me. shannon: there is growing public debate over one couple's decision to raise their child without identifying the baby's gender, that's right they are not telling anyone, not even ...

And you really have to question whether or not they are worth their money or not. it's a difficult one, but i do think there will be change now. bob dudley right from the get-go he has put his finger on the pulse. and you know something, ali? it doesn't matter which way you look at it, you have to do the i feel your pain. if you don't do the i feel your pain, you come up as uncaring capitalism. >> like you say, bob dudley, the new incoming ceo, first american to run a big british company like bp, i'm not sure he -- >> don't get so hung up on the nationality of the people involved. in the incom...

Accident. >> i think it's been very, very modest. >> there's nobody who wants this thing over more than i do. i'd like my life back. >> let's start with richard. richard, tony hayward, incompetent or a victim of really bad pr training? >> certainly not income tent in the sense that from day one bp has always said it will clean up the mess and take care of the people involved. no. complete and utter disaster when it came to p.r. when you think of the number bp has to employ, it's a difficult one, but i do think there will be change now. bob dudley right from the get-go, he has put his finger on...

Greet demand for the drugs, and we are contributing to this. is there a real partnership with the united states and mexico in fighting the drug cartels. >> well, suzanne, this is a problem when i was in the government that i personally worked on with others over the last decade. going back to my time in the clinton justice department, we began this thing called the bi-national commission meeting where senior levels of government would get together at the cabinet level. we saw a meetings with secretary clinton and secretary napolitano talking about the border violence and the border security an...