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Learning, how they're having difficulty learning, perhaps even the lack of activity so many experience, particularly over the last 18 months. i mean what are you seeing in kids? how is it being manifested in what you're seeing in them? >> when we talk about adverse childhood experiences, we talk about the criteria that the cdc looked at in their landmark research study. but what we see is that more kids are, for example, having parents or caregivers who are struggling with their mental health or with substance use or, unfortunately, there has been more intimate partner violence as a result of ...

Smaller classrooms, what can we do to give the kids a chance to catch up? >> this is not an indictment of teachers. sadly virtual learning did not work for so many students. one in five have a learning disability, those children have difficulty learning under the best circumstances. virtual learning really was difficult. what can we do? 100 billion dollar was set aside for this type of covid learning loss remediation, let's hold our school boards accountable to how this is spent it is our youngest lerners need target phonics base reading instruct.

To fog up. if you are a young kid, you are wearing a mask and glasses and the classes start to fog up, you are going to be paying more attention to your fog to glasses the teacher. >> that's right. that is just one of a number of potential harms. it does inhibit breathing, so if we are doing this to children, we want to be sure that we are getting a real benefit. the available literature says we are not. it can be that glasses fogging up and creating difficulty learning. it can be difficulty breathing for some children. it causes some children to breathe through their mouth all the time, and o...

>> and, ruth, it would be hard to explain to younger people who didn't experience that just how controversial that was in its day in 1989, what jonathan was just describing. >> absolutely. the reagan administration had been very reluctant to deal with aids. people were convinced, despite even the facts available at the time, that it was a disease that could be contagious by that kind of minimal contact. so that was a very, very fine thing that she did, and she also worked not just on that issue but on issues of children's literacy, on issues of -- partly spurred by her own child's difficulty l...

Worked not just on that issue but on issues of children's literacy, on issues of -- partly spurred by her own child's difficulty learning to read, on issues of children's health partly spurred by her daughter's tragic death at the age of 3 from leukemia. so the word i started with was formidable, and i think that's probably the most apt word for her. >> and so formidable is tonight's last word. jonathan capehart, ruth marcus, thank you both for joining us. that's tonight's last word. "the 11th hour" with brian williams starts now. tonight, sean hannity and donald trump, the fox news host out...