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"time" magazine. he said, he owed us a lot of money, meaning manafort, and he was offering ways to pay it back. i came down on him hard. now, one of the ways that manafort reportedly offered to pay up, "time" magazine says manafort offered deripaska through another middleman private briefings about the presidential race in an effort to, quote, get whole. now, boyarkin has acknowledged to "time" magazine he has been approached by mueller's team as they investigate any possible collusion between the trump campaign and russia. and while boyarkin could have some light to shed, because, of course, ...

And that situation with the dents seemed to come to a head right around the time of the u.s. presidential elections. what i learned most importantly from boyarkin when i spoke to him is that they were putting pressure on manafort, including during the election campaign, to pay back the money that deripaska says manafort owes him. so that was the kind of key information, as i saw it, because it showed that powerful figures in russia had significant leverage over the chairman of the trump campaign in 2016. >> now, this has not been a part of the mueller investigation that we have seen at least p...

>> page, i wonder, though, you talk about how much robert mueller knows about the role that these russian actors have played, but how much are they going to be able to cooperate with the investigation and how much mueller can do to compel them to get involved in this. we know that mueller's team tried to talk to boyarkin and he told them to go dig a ditch. if boyarkin won't talk, is there anything mueller can do? he lives in a different country, he's not necessarily bound by robert mueller's subpoena power. >> no, he's not at all. and you raise a great point, ryan. there's only so much that mu...

You can heat, cook with it, dig a ditch, lay on top of it, so brilliant, great thinking for him. the fact he used the tire for a fire and fuel, use the resources at hand. >> what didn't they do? what would you have done differently? maybe starting with the food? >> i think preplanning certainly comes a long way. if you're going to take the time to go out and enjoy your recreation, kayaking, hiking, whatever that may be -- >> take some stuff with you. >> take extra stuff with you. you're in the vehicle. they had their vehicle. there's no reason you couldn't have extra water rations, blankets, a...