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Chuck, i know you had the same job that aaron zebley did as chief of staff at fbi. what do you make of this? >> well, first, aaron is as smart and humble and diligent as you could possibly hope for. he also will know the case backward and forward. he worked right next to bob for years, including on the entire special counsel project. so here's what i make of it. if bob doesn't know an answer, aaron will. and aaron's testified in big cases before, including in the eastern district of virginia when i was u.s. attorney. aaron went from being an fbi special agent to being a federal prosecutor and ...

Prosecutor and was one of the most important witnesses in our presentation of the 9/11 case. so big case experience. diligent, humble, smart and earnest. knows the case backwards and forwards and will help tell the story. >> neal, what do you make about the sort of churn around this decision today? obviously these two committees, i'm not sure about what the timing was in terms of when this was first broached and how they're making these decisions. it seems like the judiciary committee won't swear mr. zebley in. they'll allow him to advise mr. mueller but not answer his own questions. the intel...

Methodical, diligent, by the book that trump and barr saw an opportunity. explain what you mean by that. >> we sort of lay out in this story about how over the course of two years mueller pursued this very by the book investigation. he amassed evidence, only spoke in subpoenas, only spoke in indictments, and there were long voids. there were long periods of time where there was nothing. and in that void the president acted, spoke, tried to discredit the investigation. and he and his lawyers had a very concert eed effort and strategy to discredit mueller and his team and to say the whole thing ...

Significant and probably damaging information. >> dan? >> the other thing that was sort of an open question is how much mueller was going to include in this sentencing memorandum. this is a by the book sentencing memorandum at this point. where you would not reveal any information about an ongoing investigation. you would -- you wouldn't do that for a variety of reasons. but because of the constant and repeated attacks on him, there was some speculation that maybe he would use this court filing to respond to those attacks, which have been no collusion, no collusion, no collusion and use this a...

Defendant's assistance in his sentence. i think what that tells me is that even though the national security adviser pled guilty to lying to an fbi investigation and we all know an aggravating factor is he lied to the vice president as well about these, you know, sort of covert conversations with russians, that he gave so much information to the investigation that it actually warrants the government requesting a sentence of zero incarceration. i mean, it doesn't get any more lenient than zero incarceration, which suggests to me that, you know, he really has been giving, over the course of 19 i...