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Mean like whatever the stuff is, the charisma, whatever it is and i guess something i was thinking about reading your book is like what is this thing? what is the thing that makes huey long successful in becoming huey long? what is the thing that makes trump successful? there's a particular kind of type, like author karen populist demagogue. different people have tried it in different ways. it has a lot of commonalities in the rhetoric and some succeed and some don't. >> i understand the bake dynamics. i understand blaming some small disfavored minority for the nation's ills and inrig separati...

>> but how? like i want you to get real brass taxes. >> yeah. >> process, like where does this seed come of, like, the random anecdote, like that is the start of the thing? it's you're reading all the time or you follow some set of -- >> well, in general, it's good to read all the time. >> right. >> the one thing i always tell people in our business is if there's one piece of advice i could impart to you, well, if you're a female person who's coming to, first of all, never show your emotions, no one will understand. but otherwise, male or female -- [ laughter ] >> good talk. >> still true, hel...

Fascist societies, it becomes impossible not to be part of the movement. so you may not be an enthusiast, but even if you're not, air probably going to be out there wearing the badge and doing the thing because there's no choice. i mean, you create the illusion of unitary nation who's all subject to and a fan of the great leader about whom there is a cult of personal and who you're not allowed to oppose. >> if fact, there's an amazing huey long line that you quote and huey long i don't think was a fascist but he was an authoritarian, who says, you know, you could get to a point where it looks ...

Free school textbooks and wore silk outfits and there's all sorts of things you could say about him but really what he was a maestro of was power. that he never met a sort of authority that he could not accrue to himself and that was the thing that you need to be able to do to be able to lead a society in that direction while telling a country, while telling a people that they need to do it, that they can only trust you and that their enemies are out to get them and that you're the only one who can protect them from those enemies. that's how it works. playing . but the real mystery was her irr...

Us today who didn't sign up to be heroes but hero yichl is coming to their door? [ applause ] crossing reference, right? so i am energized, i am energized by that but i also feel like for all of us, being a 250-year-old democracy is hard. there aren't that many and the seeds of anti-democratic projects and authoritarian projects are within the heart of every person who lives in a democracy because democracy, like you were saying at the outset, chris, is about us all deciding something together, us as equals with our rights and our sacred lives given to us by the almighty god. and equal before ...