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Aren't voluntary. these are compulsory. and he may have some, you know, privilege issues that he wants to float around. i don't know how effective those are going to be. i mean, you know, just having a lawyer involved in the conversation doesn't necessarily make a communication privileged. every conversation that you and i have had is not privileged because -- >> well, they have been watching the whole time. >> right, exactly. so it's not confidential. it's not seeking legal advice. so i think there's going to be a lot of questions raised body what was giuliani's role with respect to the presi...

Voluntary. these are compulsory, and he may have some, you know, privilege issues that he wants to float around. i don't know how effective those are going to be. you know, just having a lawyer involved in a conversation doesn't necessarily make a communication privileged, right? i mean every conversation that you and i have had is not privileged. >> well, they've been watching the whole time. >> exactly. so it's not confidential. it's not seeking legal advice. i think there's going to be a lot of questions raised about what was giuliani's role with respect to the president. what type of legal...