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but at this point, don, it's a negotiation, and i think the committee will do whatever they can to get that testimony out of cipollone. >> john, you've been saying on this program and to anyone who will listen that you think it's critical cipollone testifies publicly like you did. are there legitimate privilege issues that would justify him testifying in a transcribed interview limited to specific topics? or should he appear in a more public manner? >> i think he's got to appear in a more public manner, and i don't think there's any privileges in that area they're focusing on. we've ...

are there legitimate privilege issues that would justify him testifying in a transcribed interview limited to specific topics? or should he appear in a more public manner? >> i think he's got to appear in a more public manner, and i don't think there's any privileges in that public area they're focusing on. we've already had courts look at the issue. there's no attorney-client privilege for crime or fraud. cipollone i think has a larger problem. he advised the president against doing these things because there were conspiracies involved, several of them. what's to say that he's ever ...

there are frankly even more questions. and we're going to get into some of those tonight. this afternoon a federal judge ordering the unsealing of the warrant that authorized that search. and a list of what the investigators removed, allah, the receipt. now the warrant identifies three federal crimes the doj is looking into as part of a criminal investigation, including possible violations of the espionage act, obstruction of justice, and criminal handling of government records. let's be clear, no one has been charged with any of these crimes at this point, and we don't have any indi...

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of government records. as of now, we should note no one has been charged with a crime. trump's first line of defense was to baselessly suggest the fbi may have planted evidence while in his home. plan b, trump had declassified documents before the fbi seized them. so they're both declassified and planted. does that make any sense? the espionage act does not hinge on whether documents are classified. the trump team's latest move is to blame a government agency for moving boxes of classified information to mar-a-lago claiming, quote, that's not on the president. now, new this afternoon...