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It to the 11th, our and make concessions to his flank. they'll never vote for raising the debt ceiling. very clearly, kevin mccarthy, those are the folks that need to be negotiating. i'm findings markets, but they're not offering that trio. >> republicans aren't talking about cuts and deficit when it was the former president in office? >> there are no -- no party's simplest in this. everybody is created this deficit. what i'm saying, at the moment that we're at right. now it truly is unsustainable we added what 5 to 10 trillion dollars of debt during the pandemic it was the right thing to do t...

>> can you explain quickly -- >> a discharge position is a process where 218 people sign this petition literally at the front of the house, and then that forces a bill onto the floor. so nobody can stop it. the problem is once you get to 218, there's a time it has to rhine. ripen. it has to go through so many legislative days. once you hit that threshold it can be months before it comes to the floor. people won't sign that until we're in this 11th hour. even by then it's hard to move quickly. >> keep your eyes on the brian fitzp fitzpatrick, the pro-government house republicans who understand ...

Has said that they are not going to negotiate with house republican over the debt limit, we know that part of the deal that kevin mccarthy made to secure this speakership is that there could be some negotiations over the debt, limit, medicare, medicaid, my colleagues reported that some republicans are working on a continues the plan for treasury playing some of its debts but not all of them so leaving some federal programs and paid in the event that the u.s., we get to this point which looks like sometime in the summer maybe early june that treasury prioritizes certain payments and not others,...

A discharge position, for those who say, is a privilege motion, bringing something to the floor, with the majority member signing on to it. it could be this plot device that is more invoked, then utilized, but are there active discussions about that? >> not yet. but, look, mitch mcconnell was intent on debt limit brinkmanship, and then could pixelated in the 11th hour. it could be, kevin mccarthy does the same. but, no one should underestimate the obstructionism of the house republican majority. house republicans are willing to engineer a historic humiliation of their own leader, kevin mccarth...

Committee. you have things like that. and i worry about the inability now of the house to be able to function under speaker mccarthy, but if he gets it, it was a heck of a feat to get there, for sure. >> i've asked this question about these insurgents being put on the rules committee and blocking legislation from even coming to the floor of the house for a vote. must-pass legislation, appropriations bills, raising the debt ceiling. and the only way to get them out is having to rely on the kindness of democrats, 212 of them, to sign discharge petitions, get six republicans who are responsible t...