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Nation, we need help, and the greatest entrepreneurs of the nation's history have always been immigrants. >> yes, it is interesting bark was you have two ways to hear the frame. on the one hand the congressman was saying thank you to the dreerms and the young people who managed to shift the discourse in dialogue, and what happens when the dreamers become the face of immigration reform is that it no longer feels like the face of immigration is the low-wage worker and those are in fact the most vulnerable people, and how do we keep immigration in the forefront as we talk about these policies? >>...

They have to be separate. before we talk about layering more money, and more detentions, and more and more, let's look at the efficiency and the use of the $18 billion a year enforcement in the southern bord border, and let's look at that before there's a knee-jeshgs reaction to say, put security front and center again, and that is all we have had for the last ten years, and not do the human humane side of the equation. >> john, i want to bring you in on this side, because it feels like two discourse, and on one hand, you have hln saying don't use language like anchor babies and illegal, and y...