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And there has been worse as we've said. duct tape on the mouth. >> harry, it is a person who does not believe that the rules apply to them and judge chutkan took pains to say that in the eyes of the court, donald trump is not special. quote, he's a criminal defendant, he's going to have restrictions like every other defendant. and at another point referring to his candidacy of his day job. realistically, if trump doesn't follow this protective order in addition to going to trial even faster, what other recourses does judge chutkan have? >> it is a really good question. because what she wants t...

Putting him in jail. but they know that at the end of the day, it is her courtroom and her witnesses to worry about and it is her process to take account of and she will, i think, she showed today, be unafraid if he pushed her to the wall of responding with the most severe sanction. >> carol, the guidelines here, they are crystal clear and unambiguous and of course the question becomes will donald trump adhere to these rules? will he adhere to this protective order or perhaps this question is can he? is he temperamentally capable of doing what is laid out here? >> looking back, in the history ...

Timing. >> lisa, two things could be true at same time. it could be true that judge is not going to make decisions predicated on how they impact a political outcome. and it could be true that she knows this time line. she understands how these dates stack up. this is the first time we saw her on the bench providing in real life over this case. if today was a coming attraction of how she is going to be as the judge on this case, i wonder what you think we could expect moving forward? >> i think we could expect a trial more expeditiously than the trump team could ever want. and i do think that h...

Know, you would think that with the former president facing potentially four criminal indictments that there would be a wide open race here where anybody could win. instead, we have seen much more of the party falling in lock step behind them. every time he gets charged, it seems he grips the party tighter. >> and they come out with a new set of talking points. trump's lawyers were in court today. i'm wondering if you're wearing if there was an advancement on the story, in a face-off, the discovery rules, anything having to do with the save america pac? >> yeah, look, i don't know whether any ...

Thanks. >> thank you. >> that's that. brian foley is here in the studio. some victims families, they don't want to speak to the media. this is an incredibly private matter. they have interests, they're there. the investigation continues. the d.a. confirms -- reminding everyone, these are still just charges. allegations at this point. this is the beginning of the process of proving the allegations. your quick take-away. >> there's discovery rules. the cops have to turn over their evidence to the defense team, this is the cat and mouse between the prosecutor and the defense attorney, this is mou...