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And watched health care, i mean, through the process, health care, became clear whoever would win that primary in 2008, it was going to be a health care bill. >> yeah. >> they had to deal with the stimulus and the first big thing, do you think we're watching this sort of p prioritization play out now? >> absolutely. i think that is part of what it is. i hope that through this debate we have not just a discussion of motive and who cares most about this but what actually also happened in the 2008 campaign and i was on all sides of the debate was an actual discussion of how these plans would work...

>> absolutely. i think that is part of what it is. i hope that through this debate we have not just a discussion of motive and who cares most about this but what actually also happened in the 2008 campaign and i was on all sides of the debate was an actual discussion of how these plans would work. so as you remember, there was detailed discussion back and torte between senator obama and clinton how you actually got a universal health care plan and whether we would have an individual mandate or not and what i think is so vital about this debate is that we have a sense of urgency about it but be...

Calculation down the road to possibly pardon paul manafort? >> giuliani has told me that he has had a discussion back in early august about the remote possibility, is the way he put it, but he urged the president to not even consider it. but the fact that they even had a conversation that broached the topic shows that it's on the radar of president trump's legal team, something they know could be a political bombshell that would make republicans alarmed as well as democrats if they moved in that direction. and they also feel -- speaking of people close to the president, that they don't have a ...

>> you are watching part of an interview with former fbi director james comey from a series called "inside the fbi" on the usa network. that was shot back in december. i want to bring the discussion back, on the substance of the most blockbuster event of week, the firing and the acknowledgement that he fired james comey with russia on his mind. >> after the staff said that wasn't the reason. he seems to be more in the right here. if he were not, he would still be working for him. it sounds like trump was expecting a kind of fidelity from him that he couldn't get. i'm willing to wait for the fa...

So i would resist leaping to the conclusion that the conversation fell apart over cooperation and think that it might be a much more mundane sort of negotiation over a plea. >> robert costa, donald trump was talking about his approval ratings as the country was largely marking the passing of senator john mccain. but one thing that doesn't get very good approval ratings is the idea of pardoning paul manafort. 60% of americans think it's inappropriate. only 11% of americans think it's appropriate. what are you hearing from rudy giuliani and sources close to this president about the calculation d...