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Decision based on that evidence. not something that somebody told you based on some crazy rumor. there's too many of those. you know, this is the thing that really bugs me and worries me, jim, about our country. we have two epidemics going on. one is covid-19. the other is an epidemic of dangerous disinformation that is causing reasonable people who care about themselves and their families to make bad decisions. this is heartbreaking. never should have come to this. >> i agree with you. that is so right. and i have to ask you, i want to ask you one more personal question if it's okay, if i may...

About mandates coming down from washington d.c. it's rich but it is a political play. he's trying to line himself up as the great hope for the trump faction of the republican party. >> totally. i'll say, joe, you know, interestingly you had ann applebaum on in the last hour. she was talking about it yesterday on our air, and she made a point which i thought was really smart and made me go back and look at what desantis has been saying the last couple days. pay attention to it closely from the standpoint that you guys are talking about the misinformation and disinformation problem in that segme...

And people dismissed it as too absurd to respond to and now we're in a different place and we understand how damaging and how racist these attacks really are. do you think it is notable that we saw all of the other democratic contenders coming forward, calling these -- calling these attacks unacceptable and racist and calling them out and seeing that strong pushback and it is an indication about the disinformation problem is going to persist into this election. once again even after everything that was domed in the mueller report, we have the president's son on twitter re-tweeting a lie about ...

Facebook.com into our desktop. people are switching from news feeds to stories, those sort of movie-like images on snapchat and instagram. that's where people are going to consume content, and facebook's business model hasn't followed the eyeballs. that's the money problem. then there is a trust problem. facebook has had two and a half years from hel and a lot of its problems have been its own creation. you have the reunification propaganda problem, the disinformation problem, the privacy concerns that people have where they feel like cambridge analytica and other companies are surveilling the...