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With the door still propped open so i took a few steps back so probably was two feet from mark, he was standing in the doorway going to the oval office dining room. they had a brief conversation and in the crossfire, you know, i heard briefly like what they were talking about, but in the background i heard conversations in the oval dining room at that point talking about the hang mike pence chant. >> that clip ended miss hutchinson with you recalling you heard the president, mr. meadows and the white house counsel discussing the hang mike pence chant, and then you described for us what happene...

Something to the point where i almost said mark, did you hear him? and then mark chimed in and was like all right. anything else? still looking down at his phone. and tony looked at me, and i looked at tony. tony said no, sir, do you have any questions? he was like what are you hearing? and i looked at tony, and i was like sir, he just told you what was happening at a rallies. he said i know. i know. and then he said have you talked to the president. tony said yes, he's aware. >> he asked tony if tony had informed the president. >> yes. >> and tony said yes he had? >> so miss hutchinson, is it...

Sure eric herschmann was there, but confident it was pat was there. i remember pat saying something to the effect of mark, we need to do something more. they are literally calling for the vice president to be f-ing hung. and mark had responded something to the effect of you heard him, pat, he thinks mike deserves it, he doesn't think they are doing anything wrong, to which pat said something this is acting crazy, we need to be doing something more, briefly stepped into mark's office and when mark had said something, mark had said something to the effect of he doesn't think they are doing anyth...

Such a trip and agreed with the secret service that it shouldn't happen. did you have any conversations with pat cipollone about his concerns about the president going to the capitol on january 6th? >> on january 3rd, mr. cipollone approached me knowing that mark had raised the prospect of going up to the capitol on january 6th. mr. cipollone and i had a brief private conversation where he said to me, we need to make sure that this doesn't happen. this would be legally a terrible idea for us. we have serious legal concerns if we go up to the capitol that day, and he then urged me to continue r...

Fastening spears to the end of flag poles. >> this is your response to learning the attendees were armed that day. >> what was mark's reaction, mr. meadows' reaction to this list of weapons that people had in the crowd? >> when tony and i went in to talk to mark that morning, mark was on his couch on his phone, which was typical. i remember tony got into it. i want to let you know and informed him, like, this is how many people we have outside the mags right now. these are the weapons that we're known to have possible. he listed more weapons off that i just don't recall. and gave him a brief b...