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Distraction factor that the president has so many decisions to make and so forth. all that brett kavanaugh did was to say congress should look at this problem. i think during the confirmation hearings with all due respect to the democrats, they were jumping wildly to conclusions that were completely unfounded that he would somehow be 1 of 9 judges or justices who would somehow reshape the law, these basic principles of law that no one is above the law. i think that was really political as opposed to a realistic concern. >> martha: thank you. great to speak with you tonight. back to this week's...

Susan rice, andrew mccabe, peter strzok, lisa page, bruce orr. >> all those names are potential officials except bruce orr who currently serves in the justice department and whose wife worked for the firm that commissioned the steele dossier. >> so we have this situation here, heidi, where first time ever, these are waters we are just floating into, uncharted before, but it may not be the last. the timing of it, the date on the statement. and again what we're hearing time and time again, the distraction factor. >> that's right. as andrea mitchell reported this would be the first time ever, abs...

Because the sense from a senior european official who has been in touch with the white house, they said the sense they get is that donald trump doesn't know what he wants to achieve and has just sort of said get me in the room with this guy and we'll figure it out. >> jonathan can i ask a quick one? the real issue here in a lot of ways is the distraction factor. in other words the heads of state and government i've been to many of these nato summits, you know they have serious issues they want to get on the table. they can't get to it. what are a couple of the serious issues that are kind of b...

Encapsulates the argument here. these are not necessarily -- and they are not. they are not new allegations. we knew of these allegations from these women prior to the election. they came out during the 2016 campaign. so that is the argument the white house is making. that said, i do think there is a question potentially about what you might call the distraction factor. remember, this is a president who is delivering a speech on his -- on a massive republican tax plan that is going to be likely passed in the next eight to ten days here. this is a president who wants to be talking about -- or w...

Practices, this man has to be held accountable. right now, we're sort of at his whims and the congress, media and the american public need to be on the offensive as opposed to the defensive with him. >> here is leon panetta on the distraction factor. >> what i see here is that this president is making the same mistake past presidents made when they face scandals. that he's trying to divert attention. they're trying to cover up, they're trying to somehow raise other issues. and in the end, it's going to be the truth that will determine what's involved here. and not tweets but the truth. >> that...