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Should underscore, goes with the larger communication strategy we have seen since day one. at least from the president himself has been focused overwhelmingly on general his base. >> real policy stuff is happening too. a bill weapons on tax reform. you say tax cuts not tax reform. >> what they said was they wanted permanent tax reform. it requires them to raise money to offset the tax cuts. they're not going to get anywhere near that. there is no remote indication this white house has the dexterity and the political kind of wrapbg ngling skills to do w they did in 1986. this is a big tax cut. ...

Anything passed. which means he needs all but two u.s. senators from the republican party. he has just pe,ed on three of them. the math is pretty simple. he doesn't have 50 anymore. no democrat is going to leapfrog those three republicans to join him. so what's going on here? how could he get a tax bill if he doesn't have his 50 votes? >> i don't think he can. i think you will see the people on the right who are fiscal hawks find that they are unable to swallow a $1.5 trillion hole. larly if the distribution tables come out. there's one study showing iningo to 1%. and if you're in the middle c...

Number comes out and the deficit number is ginormous. and i don't know a scenario where it won't be that. how do they defend that? >> some of it will be masked with the dynamic scoring they use. and they say they'll be more aggressive than earlier iterations. cutting it from 90%. that worked. >> and this is to your point of your discussion, as maria indicated. ronald reagan had a rate cut from 70 down to 50. when they did tax reform, they cut it further. but they raised taxes on business. so it is not easy tooted all of these at the same time. and paul ryan said i don't care about the distribu...

Won't need as many accountants, but you're not getting a tax cut. are they not getting a tax cut? >> again, i haven't spoken to them that expect they're getting a tax cut. what i've -- >> neil: every one percenter that i talked to says they're expecting one. >> you're speaking to different people than i am. >> neil: they know i'm not going to get a tax cut and they're okay with that? >> when we come out with the plan, there's a tax cut on a absolute basis. >> neil: for everybody. >> yes. >> neil: but not the upper income. >> an absolute basis. when we come out with the plan, there's distributi...

>> you're speaking to different people than i am. >> neil: they know i'm not going to get a tax cut and they're okay with that? >> when we come out with the plan, there's a tax cut on a absolute basis. >> neil: for everybody. >> yes. >> neil: but not the upper income. >> an absolute basis. when we come out with the plan, there's distribution tables and we'll show what this is intented to do and how it fits in. >> neil: i don't want to belabor the point. you've been patient. if you're not going to take away a mortgage deduction or charitable deduction, i'm wondering where else you can compensat...