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i don't know exactly where paul went, but he left the house, too. >> okay. how did maggie get down there? >> i don't know exactly. but on normal occasions, she would drive, drive a buggy, drive a four wheeler, or very common for her to walk. >> okay. how about paul? >> paul wasn't much of a walker, but he would use all of the others. >> okay. >> i mean, could be any way, you know? i don't know exactly. i wish i could help you with that. >> so they left and went down to the kennels? >> well, maggie went to go to the kennels? >> and paul left? >> i'm assuming paul left, because, you kn...

Today, it's kind of evolved on the -- on the factors that led you to decide to lie at some point during that interview with david owen, correct? >> i disagree with that. i don't think those factors have evolved. i mean, you have asked some more specific questions, but those factors are still the same factors. you may have asked questions and dwayned a little more detail, but those factors have not changed. >> it was the done paranoia, the fact that your law partners and gregalexander and the sheriff were telling you that you needed a lawyer before you talked to the police. you got into the car...

Factors -- you may have asked questions and gained more detail. the factors haven't changed. >> it was the parparanoia, the , the fact that you needed to have a lawyer before you talked to police, the factor that you got in the car with dave owen and was somebody else from a case ten years ago, is that correct? >> believing david owen was the person involved in the case is one of the factors that caused me to distrust sled. >> and they asked about your first relationship with maggie and paul. >> that is something that contributed me to having paranoid thinking.