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It has been many, many years we've been having conversations about russia and about the ways in which the united states has tried to deal with russia. multiple u.s. administrations going back to george w. bush to paralympic, you know, george bush looked into putin's eyes and said he saw his soul and trump tried best friends, that strategy. none of its worked. what do you make of the current administration's attempt to push putin back? it seems that friendship, nothing helps. nothing has changed him. >> we did talk about it for years and what is really engaging, people have warned about this. r...

Tell me what you have seen. >> we have seen the images of people, ukrainians, people of other nationalities, taking cars, getting in a bus, getting on a train, trying to escape the mayhem created by this war that does not make any sense. so, stories -- let's put it this way. every person, every woman, every child, every one of them has a story. when you see a child, because you are giving him a plate of hot food, the only thing he is telling you is, my dad stayed behind. when you see at that same border that people are escaping war and mayhem, you see young ukrainians and other nationalities, ...

Ukraine. is that your sense? >> i think president putin was getting what he needed out of the trump administration. we were, i think, i think, on a path to leaving nato. so that, nato without the united states is probably not a security alliance that is going to last very long. and so i think that would have addressed many of putin's alleged concerns. i think that what we're seeing now is about in a certain sense, it's about russia's security but many other things including putin's obsession with ukraine, his belief it's not a real country. his desire to recreate the russian empire, the soviet...

Heartbreaking. we saw the bombing of a hospital in the south, in mariupol, where many children died. again, i hope everyone is going to be speaking up, not only the citizens of europe but the citizens of the, world saying that there is no way that we can go through this war without speaking very loudly, that we cannot allow putin to get away with what is a massive -- of biblical proportions -- and every organization, i speak with, they wish they could -- we are not the only people feeding here. everyone who can do something is doing something. people are trying to bring some organization for t...