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Hurting girls, disruptive and disrespectful to the teacher. they don't do anything to you. what we -- we have one teacher in south carolina who said you have a kid who finds out you can say f you to the teacher, flip over the table, run out of the classroom, you can't suspend them. once the kid knows you can do that, they will do anything. all they are saying is instead of putting them into these diversion programs like they did with this guy and broward county, maybe if he does something terribly wrong, you have to hit him with a criminal charge. i think that's a good idea. >> juan: okay. dan...

The problems that i understand is that people start using again because they can't get jobs because they now have a criminal record, so is there anything that can be done in this national emergency need to come back to about back to that? >> speaking with jeff sessions. we have a diversion programs for people who are basically in the criminal justice system because they have an addiction problem, they are not violent, they are not big drug traffickers. the federal government actually does a pretty good job of combating this, this is a false issue that we are locking up people of color, we are ...

That they're used properly, to having independent inquiries when there is a shooting, things that we should be able to agree on because it will be better for the police, and make their lives better and safer, but will also ensure communities feel they're being treated fairly. a lot of that work requires us to continue to partner with state and local officials and so we need a president in there who keeps that momentum going because it is not as if that problem is going to go away anytime soon. ultimately, what i would like to see is congress pass criminal justice reform legislation, that would...

Program. it's their way of getting out of jail. >> back on the streets selling drugs to others. we have a stat we're going to throw u. americans up five -- prison population is substantial in the united states. 5% of the world's population in america, 25% of the world's prisoners, i mean, locking up in the united states. do you think some reforms in washington would let out the non-violent criminals is just going to make the problem worse? >> i don't know if it's going to make it worse, but i mean obviously we have to do something. one, i don't think a lot of countries are probably correctly s...

Long that consisted of drug arrests, assault charges, domestic violence, i think, criminal trespass. it's what the left calls low level crimes. nonviolent crimes. but what they don't understand or what they can't understand, bill, is that these thugs don't wake up one day and start committing felonies. they start at the lower level and then they escalate to committing felonies. and unless you punish them early on you are going to get bad things happening like that. >> do you believe selling heroin, crack, methamphetamine is a violent crime? >> yes. i have said this on the show before. >> ebony...