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Had the nerl prison population go down and the crime rate go down at the same time, which indicates the degree to which it's possible for us to think smarter about who we're incarcerating, how long we're incorporating, how long we're dealing with nonviolent offenders, how are we dealing with drug offenses, diversion programs, drug courts. we can die better job by initiating. i've been pleased to see we have democrats and republicans in congress that are issued in these issues as well. the one thing i will say and this will be the last thing i say, is that i -- one of the great things about thi...

To be held accountable if we really want fundamental change. and that's really what we need. fundamental change in this country that will lead us to a better relationship between police communality and part. but, also, the entire criminal justice system being used as being fair and impartial. >> does the u.s. put too many people in jail? >> well, i don't know how to answer that question. i think that we need to reserve jail for people that are really harm e harmful to the community. and i think that we need to look at al terntives. more diversion programs. there are a lot of things that we nee...

Inhibiting childbirth. >> i gave birth to nothing more than a -- you don't know what's going on, it is a basic fundamental human moment in this. what are the policies, where should we be going next? what is it an advocate or someone watching at home that never thought about incarcerated mothers, what ought we be doing next? >> there's a few things. for one thing, tina should talk about it more, support the birthing behind bars campaign. tina is leading that campaign, and i'm sure she'll talk more about it. we need to think seriously about our sentencing policies that sentence people to inordin...