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He understands? do you think he's trying to change the message, what the meaning is? >> i'm not sure what he understands or doesn't understand. i do know, however, that whether we stand or kneel, we have to i would say have empathy for those who feel this is offensive. that's a very real feeling. people have veterans in their family. for whatever reason they may feel this is an affront to them, an affront to the flag, an affront to our country. that's a real feeling that we have to acknowledge whether you take a knee or not. on the flip side, you have to listen to the reason why guys are sayin...

Country. that's a very real feeling that we have to acknowledge, whether you take a knee or not. on the flip side, you have to listen to the reason why guys are saying that they are taking a knee. it's very important to listen, to not change that narrative. i think that there are diversion techniques. i think there are ways to deflect from an issue that may be uncomfortable for some people to talk about. i think that's part of what the president may be doing. he may be playing to a certain narrative, and then sometimes creating his own. but i think that on both sides, it's important to underst...