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Think that it will. there is external and internal dynamics. and if iowans were so concerned about the diversity piece, where is kamala harris, where is cory booker,is ruljulian castro. so it is a good talking point, but at the end of the day, iowa voters will do what they do. >> and you made an interesting point, it is not lost on me that if you look at the last series of successful democratic candidates to become president, they have been mid westerner or southerners and it is this sort of trying to be overly appealing, you know, that -- a you want to call it.

Going to change the rules. they shouldn't change the rules because corey booker, what he said, this negative impact, this is exactly where the dnc is trying to go. you can't have 22, 25 candidates on every debate staining age ant to move it to one based on polling and what have you. it's there to eliminate, if you will, and to have the strongest candidates at the very end. that's exactly what happened. now, on the diversity piece, very important, but it's not dispositive of how we get to a democratic nominee. this election next year is super, super important, and the dnc at some point in time ...

Things, he said you don't want the tyranny of consensus of a group. it's healthy. it's not tidy. that was an interesting point. don't you want really smart people around you arguing about the best path and then you as commander in chief choose. >> absolutely. you mention earlier. mattis is one of the picks that calms democrats and calms folks who were very concerned, for example, about general flynn who you know, a lot of people think he's a danger to national security because of what he has said and done in the past. mattis is one of those folks who does reassure democrats and those hose oppo...