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Wonderful podcast. you've been tracking this story. this is something that's been going on for months but very much coming to a head with this new york times story recently coming out. what do you think what you're seeing at this moment? >> yeah. the problem here is not that rachel nickels was trying to defend her turf. that happens all the time in television. the problem is that in defending her turf she thinks maria taylor got that job because she's black, not because she earned it and not because she deserved it. that's the issue here. and that's something that a lot of black people from al...

Working, very good at her job, but it would be hard to convince me that she hasn't benefitted somewhat from those associations. for her to make that claim that taylor didn't earn her position is ironic. >> i think that default to in her comment is something that is lost. i've talked with so many people about this, a lot of people, white people, don't key in on that assumption that is made, oh, that it's because maria taylor is a person of color that she's being given this assignment. but you know, you and i -- we were babies together in news. >> yeah. >> and you and i have talked for years abo...

On espn.on >> how deeply, deeply sorry i am for disappointing those i hurt, particularly maria taylor. >> reporter: former espn colleague jemele hill.rt >> where you don't see a lot of black women in the role that maria is in, she hears that 100 times a day. so to the hear that from another woman colleague would be harmful and hurtful for her. >> reporter: reaction has been swift, not only targeting nichols but also espn. >> y'all tried to give maria a job and it wasn't genuine and looked what happened. come on, man, its all the espn folk, we love both of them. >> reporter: this from the daugh...