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This isn't just about -- >> let me just go back to the kennedy speech. >> he needs to redefine the speech. >> here's a difference that i think is important. you just did that division thing, is this about american workers or is it about -- and what that young kennedy just said is it's about both. and i think more americans are with him -- i thought he did an extraordinary job. >> false choice. >> how many? how many? should we bring in 10 million? 20 million? 30 million? should we open the border and let everybody in? this is the problem with this argument. the problem with this argument is, we...

Debate also help? >> i hope so. i hope so. my heart and soul would really love someone like reagan or fdr to come back and give us a new deal, be bold. be committed. don't care what anybody thinks. >> steve: division thing. >> yeah, man. when you tear down the wall, do it. we got to look at, in my opinion, we got to look at our situation like that and i just hope that in these debates we see someone do that. for me, it's hard to commit and to trust to president obama again because i was so inspired and thought everything was going to change. i know he walked into a tough situation. but i feel ...

Agenda coming in is actually going to, actually be positive for jobs, for business. what an idea. >> you're also about to say when you're doing that division thing basically it was very expensive, each one of those jobs. >> now, jonas you're saying 9%, it's okay, it's pretty good. better than we would have had, huh? >> i think to be thankful about that. you know, i don't think 5% is going to happen again for a very long time in this economy and we are lucky and the cbo report as the other guest said was objective and not necessarily right, a lot of things wrong we could have had almost 12% the...

Democratic committee they had a maj ever disagreement and that never heeled. dean, when it came to the health care reform bill, they didn't get that, he didn't like that and he's been biting at obama's heels for some time. the timing is not good, frankly. right now we have enough problem with republicanning attacking -- attacking us, we don't need the former chainman doing this. martha: the assault is that he's not aggressive enough. >> it's his position. it's ironic that the right says he's a socialist and the left says that he's too much of a centrist. it's a tough one to win. frankly, that'...

That's why the president made the case this is about american workers -- >> let me just go back to the kennedy speech. >> he needs to redefine the speech. >> here's a difference that i think is important. you just did that division thing, is this about american workers or is it about -- and what that young kennedy just said is it's about both. and i think more americans are with him -- i thought he did an extraordinary job. >> false choice. >> how many? should we bring in 10 million? 20 million? 30 million? should we open the border and let everybody in? this is the problem with this argument....