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Surprised. people who weren't following the tv business religiously, you know, he's got huge name recognition, huge audience numbers, he's really defined that network in many ways and brought people in and created a great lineup and great huge numbers for everybody who follows him. so why is he leaving? >> when you say he defined the network, anderson, that is part of the problem. glenn beck became so huge, such a cultural phenomena, and so radioactive in my view, that he almost overshadowed the fox brand. so the disagreements between the two sides, become wasn't happy with fox. ands to was in...

Howard, i think most people who hear that glenn beck is leaving fox news are going to be surprised. people who weren't following the tv business religiously, you know, he's got huge name recognition, huge audience numbers, he's really defined that network in many ways and brought people in and created a great lineup and great huge numbers for everybody who follows him. so why is he leaving? >> when you say he defined the network, anderson, that is part of the problem. glenn beck became so huge, such a cultural phenomena, and so radioactive in my view, that he almost overshadowed the fox brand....

Radioactive in my view, that he almost overshadowed the fox brand. so the disagreements between the two sides, become wasn't happy with fox. ands to was increasingly uncomfortable dealing with his conspiracy theories and apologies for statements going over the top. this is a divorce brewing for months. >> ratings go up and down, it ebbs and flows. you say it's more about branding and impact on the network it was having. >> even been the standards of fox, glenn beck who compared reform judaism to radical islam, he apologized for that, but it didn't help that his ratings were down about 40%. but...