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And everybody laughed at newt. but we would love it, are you kidding? and i think a lot of conservatives at the grassroots would love it, as jennifer was saying. my reading on them is they want someone who can really take it to the president intellectually in terms of ideas and in terms of verbal combat which the president, at least in the campaign, was good at. that's one reason he's attractive. >> and someone who won't equivocate. i think also someone who won't equivocate. who will say what they think and be a straight talker. >> and he can change his position from time to time, but to quote...

Point that jennifer made, that i spoke to a little while ago, he said, anyone who underestimates him does so at their own peril. and that's the dnc talking. but i'm not sure the people out in chicago quite get the same message. >> you got to wonder what the president thinks. by the way, who would the obama campaign prefer to run against? romney or gingrich? well, the latest polling out of new hampshire from the university of new hampshire shows that in a general election match-up, president obama leads mitt romney but just marginally. but look at the matchup with gingrich, it's got the preside...

Someone who can really take it to the president intellectually in terms of intelligence and verbal combat. >> and someone who won't equivocate. i think also someone who won't equivocate. who will say what they think and be a straight talker. >> and he can change his position from time to time, but to quote the dnc -- >> he can put his foot in his mouth from time to time, too. >> to quote the dnc guy to the point that jennifer made, that i spoke to a little while ago, he said, anyone who underestimates him does so at their own peril. and that's the dnc talking. but i'm not sure the people out i...