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Message? >> it's more trump. it's more cowbell. in the end that's one of kemp's biggest problems, he's kind of a one trick party -- well not kemp but perdue. kemp is in this inveeable position. he's got a budget surplus, doing abortions restrictions, great in a republican primary, more gun rights, doing tax cuts and they're going to have more spending -- more spending and bonuses for teachers, for cops, for firefighters, on and on. >> what do perdue and kemp disagree on other than following the law in the elections? >> in the republican party where donald trump is the center of gravity they're...

Listen, to do some changing. a lot of times you're not willing to change until you realize it didn't work. in an odd way the more successful this version of the republican party is in 2022, the more successful you might be in convincing them to go in another direction. >> i worry georgia continues to be the proving ground for good ideas and bad ideas. i want those good ideas to work. all the good things that are happening, our economic development, our hate crimes legislation, i look at these streets below us just a year and a half ago were riddled with riots and now we're in a position we hav...

As i may be watching, his super-pack has been advertising for months just 5%. doesn't that end his presidency? >> it's not past the post. >> the runoff i don't think it's a 50%. >> that is true. but if you talk to jones he's saying perdue needs to get out of the race. trump's people have misled him, et cetera, et cetera. the reality is he does capture that maga flavor a lot better than perdue who has a mansion on sea island. >> a former rebok ceo is not the face i expected of trump populism. >> and the kemp folks, they have their opo file ready to go on perdue, and they're going to unload it o...

Stuff. let me go back to the kemp-perdue primary. to me they will inevitably converge because perdue and heiss have the same basically i assume campaign structure and all of that. >> i know in the past before the senate race in january and even thereafter a lot of republicans were segregating kemp from raffensperger. maybe the two are joined at the hip because raffensperger is so much more no nonsense, kemp kind of ducked it thinking, hey, maybe i can escape the wrath of trump. he was wrong. so we'll see how that plays out. >> there are two other candidates in this race that i'm told, if you w...