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Next year. >> i wrote my column in the washington times today they think this shutdown will help republicans in 2014. here's why. because right now, yes, i think the republicans are taking most of the blame for this because they generally do take the blame for things that go wrong in washington and congress does. and president obama is very, very good at not taking blame for anything. he still hasn't taken any responsibility. even though he will not make one change to obama care. >> i know you're going someplace with this. >> anyway, the point of that is that the people don't want obama care. ...

There are whispers of that on the hill tonight. but what would that even look like? let's bring in republican congressman devin nunes of california who has been pretty critical of his own party's strategy here and two of cnn's finist, chief political analyst gloria borger and chief political coast dent dana bash. congressman, obviously you're not a supporter of obama care in particular. why would you call your fellow republicans lemmings with suicide vests? what's the issue here? >> thank you for having me on. a few months ago, back in my district and in washington i started hearing this strat...

Seuss and everything else they want to do. >> for the first four years under president obama, even first two when democrats controlled everything there was no budget. i love that you now demand a budget. republicans have been demanding budgets for the past four years. it's nice to finally have one. >> you didn't pass a budget you pass a c.r. i think we all agree here it would be great to get a grand bargain, at least a budget. but in the absence of that your job is to pass a c.r. the president agreed to 100% of the republican budget number on the c.r. >> let me tell you what democrats are not ...

Representatives -- >> house does that work? >> we had 1 million more votes. >> there were 1 million more votes cast for democrats in the house than republicans. that doesn't represent the majority. [ overlapping speakers ] >> i don't think it reflects the majority of americans. it reflects a rigged math. >> correct me if i'm putting words in your mouth, but i think what emily is saying is that what ted cruz is doing is standing up for millions of people around the country, certainly in his district back at home, who want obama care repealed, delayed, stopped. that is not represented in congres...

He's been really taking obama to the mat. and i kind of understand where you're coming from. president obama's leadership on this has been disappointing. now, you want him -- you want him to lurch leftward. i want him to come to the more reasonable center. but we will ask our guests about this tonight. tom perielo with the center for american progress, he supports president obama's position on the shutdown. and washington times senior editor emily miller who supports the house republicans. tom, i have a hunch that president obama is digging in his heels on this fight and the upcoming fight on ...