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Rule. all i can say is this. as i walk around this country, and i've been all over the country, people come up to me from everywhere, democrats, republicans, saying we can't afford this. we can't do this. we do not even have a solid final scoring on this. as a matter of fact, the actuary of cms said he cannot get the final shoring. they also don't include the doc fix which is $371 billion and that doesn't even take care of medicaid. of the 31 million people you're going to cover, 16 million are pushed into medicaid. let me just tell you, we're coming to a europeanization of america. the americ...

I think we'll more than wring out the costs. i i think that's why the president brought people down to the white house, to try to wring out those costs. we spend 20% of gross domestic product. the closest country to us is switzerland. i can't believe that we can't get that money out of there. >> yeah, yeah, we do such a great job here in washington wringing out the costs. >> that's in the private sector. >> $1.6 trillion deficit this year. only in washington, d.c., could you say with a straight face that you're going to spend a trillion dollars and save taxpayers money. look, you point out the...

"forbes" magazine and there's a lot of talk, that it is look a bernie madoff kind of a bill. this bill reads to me more like an enron-style, bernie madoff, worldcom, dot-com bubble rolled into one, there are so many gimmicks and you outlined one and that is the doc fix, the $208 billion, in exposed costs for paying medicare physicians and that is being put aside in a stand-alone bill and that would have wiped out the exposed cost savings of $138 billion, over ten years, and... >> you know what, you know, what seems bizarre about that is they talk about the cost of health care, and when you men...

Health care. the question that's going to be answered tomorrow is whether or not people are listening, whether or not representatives are listening. we're here to stand with the american people and we thank everyone for coming here and standing with us. >> thank you! (applause) >> yesterday speaker nancy pelosi had a press conference where she touted how great this new cbo score was. in that press conference, she showed that she sent a bill to cbo and they gave her a score back. i've got to tell you what, if you can manipulate a bill you can manipulate the score. what the speaker also said at ...

Just said on the air, if you add in the doc fix, which is how congress stops doctors from receiving a pay cut for serving medicare patients every year this is done, if you add that into this, then this goes from a deficit reduction bill to a deficit addition bill. it adds to the deficit. so, it just depends how you took at it. >> uma: okay, we've heard a lot of discussion back and forth about the controversial issue of when the government can require most americans to carry health insurance or be hit with a fine. let' talk about that for a moment and in the impact of that and how much of a fin...