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Or not? or just talk about not disclosing? i'm not clear on that. >> i think the white house wants the name so they can leak it. >> well, yeah. they do. >> is it part of satisfying the freedom caucus members we were talking about at the beginning of the hour, part of speeding up document production is to get some of these agitators off the backs of the justice department? is that part of what happens if this -- >> rosenstein, once again, showing that he is sort of the ultimate survivor here. after rosenstein was named as the deputy attorney general back in 2017, comey told one of his friends, ...

Pattern with that. >> well, and the first fact started with the president saying there was no connection, there was no payment, i didn't know anything about it. then you go to the issue of like the timing. i mean, it was a couple weeks before the election. >> you're suddenly worried about embarrassing your wife? >> that's right, that that was really avoiding the strictures of the campaign finance law. a lot of it seems to suggest it may have been a campaign finance violation. >> what do you make of the broader sort of posture that rudy is taking on, you know, time to wrap things up? he kept sa...

Strategy. do you have an opinion on that? >> well, there is certainly good reason to believe that this is a coordinated effort between the committee or the chairman and not just our chairman, but also members of the gop on the judiciary committee mr. meadows and jordan and because what they are doing is in lock step. you see this escalating fight with the justice department where these republican members and in the interest of defending the president are making a continuing escalating series of demands on the justice department, not because they want the documents they are asking for and indee...

Chime in as if on cue saying why won't the justice department comply, as if the president cares about document production to congress. it looks choreographed and designed to give the president a pretext to either fire people or further bash the justice department. >> in light of what -- is being alleged this evening from michael avenatti and i don't know the source of the documents, the bank strans actions or he claims to know about, we don't know yet. hard confirmation of that. >> but in light of that, are you confident that -- that the justice department and the southern district and the spe...

To get the information he needed elsewhere, it's possible he discovered through other witnesses or through document production that she didn't have firsthand knowledge of the things he was interested in. it's also still possible her time could come. >> all right, thank you very much, sarah. david gergen, former presidential adviser, and glenn donat, former federal prosecutor who represented pit clinton in his impeachment hearings, and represented a client before the special counsel in connection with manafort and gates. what do you make of giuliani's comments? it's stunning, i know he's joki...