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The state, it's signed off on. you know, there's plenty of evidence that he is. how can you say that there's not? >> a certificate of live birth is different than a long form birth certificate. i think that's what is intended by the documentation process. >> for better or worse, many people don't believe he's a u.s. citizen. they believe he has loyalties, divided loyalties. i suppose you could say. >> those people are wrong. he is a u.s. citizen. >> you're telling me that he's wrong. i never investigated that, if he is, then he has nothing to fear. >> but i mean, the information is out there. ...

It's irrelevant to me. >> what do you mean you're not qualified to say whether he is or not? >> well, there's been no proof offered. and as far as belief, it really doesn't matter what i believe. >> but how can you say there's been no proof offered? there's a certificate of live birth which was shown by his campaign in 2008 which has, you know, the seal of -- the raised seal of the state, it's signed off on. you know, there's plenty of evidence that he is. how can you say that there's not? >> well, a certificate of live birth is different than a long-form birth certificate. and i think that th...

It's irrelevant to me. >> what do you mean you're not qualified to say whether he is or not? >> there's been no proof offered, and as far as belief, it doesn't matter what i believe. >> how can you say there's been no proof offered? there's a certificate of live birth, shown by his campaign in 2008, which has, you know, the seal of -- the raised seal of the state, it's signed off on. you know, there's plenty of evidence that he is. how can you say that there's not? >> a certificate of live birth is different than a long form birth certificate. i think that's what is intended by the documentati...

>> well, a certificate of live birth is different than a long form birth certificate. and that's what intended by the documentation process. >> but a certificate of live birth is good enough to get a passport. it's what citizens of hawaii can use to identify themselves. >> if it's good enough for the u.s. passport office, that's one thing. but i'm more concerned about good enough for the state of montana. >> have you -- no one has ever asked any other presidential candidate in montana to do this. i mean, where was george bush born? >> that's exactly the problem here. you know, we shouldn't be ...

Bob wagonner. do you believe that president obama is a citizen of the united states? >> well, i don't really -- i'm not really qualified to say whether i believe he is or not. it's irrelevant to me. >> what do you mean you're not qualified to say whether he is or not? >> there's been no proof offered, and as far as belief, it doesn't matter what i believe. >> how can you say there's no proof offered. there's the certificate of live birth shown by his campaign in 2008 which has the seal of -- the raised seal of the state, it's signed off on, you know, there's plenty of evidence that he is. how ...