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Future reward, which i would call ulterior motivation and it causes us to not be real, to be false. and the idea of living this way is to cultivate doing for the sake of doing rather than the sake of future rewards. which is to be authentic, to be real. >> mark, what were you hoping by making the investment by documenting daniel's decisions and publish the book? what are you hoping others will take away by benefitting from reading it? >> well, looking around on all sides of the spectrum, you see people who are dissatisfied and afraid of the money system we've built. on the right, the tea party...

You've got climate change saying we're about to destroy the place we live in order to have this idea that the government can't interfere with this quote free market and so, you know, people don't buy it anymore. and they feel powerless, like how can i go against the fed if i use money, against wall street if i have an ira, against bill oil if i drive a car. what's inspiring about daniel is he has imagined another life. he challenges us to think differently about the way the world is composed. >> where do you get food and shelter? >> from society's cast offs, dumpsters and also wide edibles out...

His life without cash, credit or welfare the good life and with us now on the hot line is daniel along with mark, the author who writes about daniel's journey and the man who put money. dan, what do you believe are the greatest merits of the decision you've made? >> i believe it's all about grace and it's all about finding the grace in other human beings and in myself to accept freely giving and freely receiving. which is really all about love. >> and how does that principle that you represent and i adplee with it. but how that does that contrast do you think with the contemporary culture in g...