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Hard to do that. i believe they're really trying to find that balance between private sector and public sector and, you know, collective bargaining versus not. >> that's a great point, michael. but what is the balance when you want to fundamentally change collective bargaining in america? that's both what these gentlemen are concerned about and they feel like they've been under attack as middle class americans. it's not the democrats. it's the republicans. >> it's a legitimate -- well, republican leadership that's in place and where these issues are coming up, you know, i can't speak for what'...

And, you know, collective bargaining versus not. >> that's a great point, michael. but what is the balance when you want to fundamentally change collective bargaining in america? that's both what these gentlemen are concerned about and they feel like they've been under attack as middle class americans. it's not the democrats. it's the republicans. >> it's a legitimate -- well, republican leadership that's in place and where these issues are coming up, you know, i can't speak for what's going on specifically in florida and ohio, you know, i've got my own issues here in maryland with the democra...