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But we don't have a 60-vote rule. and, yet, that's become kmonl practice. this is just the latest example. it's just unfortunate that this kind of politics intrudes at a time when i'm still presiding over a war in afghanistan and i need a secretary of defense who is coordinating with our allies to make sure that our troops are getting the kind of strategy and mission that they deserve. >> republicans are playing politics with national security. it's despicable. it's offensive. it has nothing to do with hagel's qualifications and everything to do with blocking president obama. joining me now ...