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Cannot plea ignorance here. he can t say that i believe this entire time that i won this election and that when he was calling brad raffensperger in georgia telling him to find votes, you have now a very established timeline of evidence of people, of credible people, security in these cases, telling the president that these were free and fair and secure elections. and there s even more than that. my colleague and reported that audiotape that you might recall, steve bannon before the election, saying that donald trump at the election, or after, he is going to declare victory whether he wins or doesn t winds. and then you have rudy giuliani who we discussed on the show already, on election night, for maybe a little tipsy as some people have testified, telling trump to declare that he won. even before votes could be fully counted. so i think i m not the lawyer here, barbara is, but when we talk ....