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So-called air capital of the world. >> yesterday we had the rare opportunity to sit down with charles koch in a wide ranging interview. we discussed his best selling book, his unique background and his very interesting thoughts on politics. plus david koch joined the conversation for the brother's first-ever joint interview. >> and that was fascinating. >> we got a chance to know them on a personal level and also ask those questions that people are asking. >> look who we have with us this morning. >> why doesnn't we have some people -- >> msnbc contributor mike barnicle. and senior white house

Run because bush was his mentor, bush really helped him. he was very, very disloyal to bush. i don't like that. >> okay. >> wow. >> mike barnicle -- >> where do we begin. >> mike? >> let me ask jon meacham. jon, you've just seen a man suck all oxygen out of the entire room talking about marco rubio, ben carson. let's talk about the man who in four to five weeks is man who isn't here. you've just written an e epic book about george h.w. bush. his son, jeb bush, is in the process of disappearing in the presidential canvas. what do you think about the troubles of the jub bush campaign? >> i think...

Carson will somehow eventually fade away. bush, christy fiorina, kasich are all dead and rubio will rise and become the challenger to trump with cruz in the mix. i think that's the conventional wisdom. i think it's largely wrong in the sense that i don't think bush is dead, don't think christie's dead. i don't think kasich is necessarily dead. and i still don't think looking at these polls rubio still has a lot to prove. he's in a strong position. arguably the strongest position, but he's got a lot to prove. >> isn't that conventional wisdom, though, wishful thinking? how has that happened? we...

>> i think as florida goes, so goes the rest of the country at this point. there's a lot of threat for someone like trump to weave into other states and when ewe look at coming out of the early primary states where trump is doing very, very well, i think to the earlier point, how do you stop the momentum? who in this group, whether it's christie, jindal, anyone else, who stops the momentum that trump has. if he's polling like this in florida, if he's polling in iowa, where's the weak spot? there isn't any. again, going back to the economic issues and he's like me, there's no one touching him. ...

We believe the two pingers involved are still active. >> are the sounds even coming from the plane? thank you, ainsley. >> we are going to switch gears coming up next. >> they may know all of the words to miley cyrus's song but when it comes to the words of the secretary of state. >> who is that guy? >> he's on a late night show, isn't he? >> i don't know his fa-- i know face but doesnn't know his name. >> jessie waters visits a miley cyrus concert. >> one school district might put in place a dress code or the parents. >> wait until you hear why. >> first let's check in with brian kilmeade to ...