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Carson will somehow eventually fade away. bush, christy fiorina, kasich are all dead and rubio will rise and become the challenger to trump with cruz in the mix. i think that's the conventional wisdom. i think it's largely wrong in the sense that i don't think bush is dead, don't think christie's dead. i don't think kasich is necessarily dead. and i still don't think looking at these polls rubio still has a lot to prove. he's in a strong position. arguably the strongest position, but he's got a lot to prove. >> isn't that conventional wisdom, though, wishful thinking? how has that happened? we...

Cruz and possibly chris christie for the establishment. >> take john kasich out. >> i don't think john's out. >> of the four established candidates, two of them are performing well. i don't think kasich is performing as well as he needs to. >> he changed his tone. he is angry.

Court advantage, if you will. when it talks about governing -- >> he's in cleveland. >> he can talk about what we did down the road. how we fixed the bridge over there, how we handled medicare and medicaid. so he has sort of that advantage, i think, to play that card. should trump go there -- >> and why do you assume that for some reason jeb thinks he can rope a dope this thing. i'm going to drive on. >> i wouldn't say jeb is taking that position. i think jeb is probably doing a wait and see. if attacked, he will respond kind of thing. but he doesn't plan to be the one who leads the advance on...

When it talks about governing -- >> he's in cleveland. >> he can talk about what we did down the road. how we fixed the bridge over there, how we handled medicare and medicaid. so he has sort of that advantage, i think, to play that card. should trump go there -- >> and why do you assume that for some reason jeb thinks he can rope a dope this thing. i'm going to drive on. >> i wouldn't say jeb is taking that position. i think jeb is probably doing a wait and see. if attacked he will respond kind of thing. but he doesn't plan to be the one who leads the advance on that. and i don't think kasich...