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That for trump, by treating the process with less integrity he is giving the process less integrity. >> yes. >> that is -- that's what's really disturbing. >> do that again. it's like -- i think it's worth redundancy. >> the perverse thing is the less integrity that trump treats the mueller process, the less integrity the mueller process has. so him throwing out pardons makes the -- you know, turns the process into somewhat of a joke. if he can -- if he's not treating the process with integrity, then like it actually has a perverse impact of hurting mueller. we all have a lot of faith in muell...